Gotta say, CZ is still awesome. When it comes to making products, as long as you can team up with CZ, you can fail a hundred times and still end up winning. Just to add something, which I only found out this year... I used to hear a lot about certain trash projects being started by core members of Binance's futures team. But actually, within Binance, there have long been three separate futures teams competing with each other. Not all Binance futures teams are that bad. Often, the ones doing well have to take the blame for the ones cutting deep.