Mark Chen and Jakub Pachocki lead OpenAI’s research efforts. Together, they’ve built GPT-3, Codex, GPT-4, o1, o3, and GPT-5. We sat down with @markchen90 and @merettm to discuss the goals of GPT-5, how OpenAI balances research/product and evaluate talent, and their ultimate goal - building an automated researcher. 00:00 GPT-5 launch and capabilities 07:10 Automated research and agency 14:44 Reward modeling and best practices 21:39 What makes a great researcher? 41:19 Academia and frontier AI 48:52 Trust and collaboration at OpenAI @sarahdingwang @AnjneyMidha(a16z)